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Good evening to you our viewers readers and listeners join us live right now
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late in the night it is uh 9 30 p.m in the United Kingdom you know what time it is over there type it in
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the comment box you know the people log in from australia, new zealand all sorts typing in the comment there
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it’s a quick news review right now as we’re looking into what has happened in our country today on sunday
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douglas monzora suspended by his own party and uh
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also here in our catchment
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of analysis of your witnesses Christopher Mutsvangwa the zanu-pf
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information secretary celebrates the by-elections by saying that zanu-pf
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has gained zanu-pf has eaten into nelson chamisa’s party
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the full article is on ZimEye and many others today that we’re going to discuss of yours witnesses and i’m joined here
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by our news analyst who is a critic of the ccc party what has been for quite a
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while now will be oh but people don’t like you because we’ll bet you and you know why you know
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why people don’t like you no yeah
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and we’ve got people here coming in we’ve invited some of some some leading people but you know and the characters
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okay yeah i’m gonna speak here shortly so um we’ve invited a few few key people
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that you’re gonna be joining us here in and out um but quickly here douglas mozart has
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been suspended by his own partner and there’s a letter that’s already
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published you can check it on ZimEye and it is an authentic letter by the way he’s been suspended but wilbert let me
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come back to you before we tune in here we’ll bet yesterday nelson chamisa’s party proved it we’ll
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bet you’ve been a critic for a while here you’ve been saying uh chamiza needs to get
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um reforms and you’re not happy that chamisa has
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failed to secure reforms even okay look at the family says not in power but whatever right but
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yesterday chamisa proved it that you can win in rigged elections he
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won the rigged elections yesterday what do you say about that orbit
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yeah but simba simba we should not forget those seats that he won he had won them
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in 2018. are we saying then that the 2018 elections were free fair and credible
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no but my point is he’s proved it i mean the evidence of rigging wilbet was so so
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so clear so graphic so elaborate so so vivid right and chamisa contested
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chamissa lost the people who got one person was killed with it people got
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brutalized it wasn’t easy it was such a violent bi-election period and yet
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nelson jamison were inside the very bloody election
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by-election full of threats from from both munangaga and chewenga and also wilbert so much
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tampering by the zimbabwe electoral commission serious serious brutal tampering here will be moving about off
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of polling stations fiddling with figures changing removing
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the entries or people who had voted wilbur that was so clear this was so
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blatantly uh broad vote freaking rupert but
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he did win at least the majority of seats will get more than 60 percent
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yeah i totally agree with you but simba
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you you you should not miss the point i’m trying to make the point is elections should be free
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fair and credible yeah the number of seats that you misa
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won in yesterday’s elections most of those seas are the same seats
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that he’d won in 2018. in other words those were his strongholds
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if we were to go into the rural areas where zanu-pfs got their uh
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vote rigging machinery is a well oiled
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and and and the people uh literally sex in in the rural areas they are captive
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of sanopio he failed to make inroads say because the vote ringing is still
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a big issue there and that is the point i’m trying to make
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if elections were free fair incredible i honestly believe
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the opposition would have won those elections clean out made a clean
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a clean win everywhere and we are coming next year to the to
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the 2023 elections if zanu pf is still able to carry out
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some of the uh shenanigans that we saw yesterday i believe even if that
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ccc were to win the majority yes zano pf would become the opposition
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with a significant number of seats not because people voted for the
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vasano pf but because they were able to rig that is what is that issue there
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that our election results does not reflect the true will of the people because the npf has still got this
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incredible cut blanche powers to league elections
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that is what is uh at issue we want free fair incredible elections
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and we don’t want any of these shenanigans we don’t want to be talking about the
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various shenanigans of zanub what’s up if we’ve been doing to rig elections we want to be talking about policies
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that is what we should be analyzing here simba whose policies won the day
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at the present moment yesterday’s people did not vote for policies because nobody
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articulated any policy it was purely
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the desperate desire by the zimbabwean people to have
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regime change to get rid of the nopf that is now the focus of the nation it
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should not be that should not be the focus of the nation the nations will be focusing on
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what are you offering how are you going to get the country out of this mess that is what i’m talking about there
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so it’s not a question of i support mdc or i criticize mtc because i suppose i’m
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not i don’t support xanopf i’ve always criticized i’m not here for wreaking elections
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and i want but but do you agree though yeah yeah but you do agree bet that um
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there is a there’s a there’s a dis sometimes it can be a very very
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um a very very vivid disconnect between what is ideal and what is practical of
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course what is ideal right now is having reforms for reforms being implemented what is practical is that under nangagwa
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yeah it’s makes it impossible so we can’t blame jaminson for there not to be reforms
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the voice of the opposition now well i can
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hold a mirror to you simba and ask you the question is uh chamissa de chamisa tried to
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implement reforms ever since this npf was sort of mdc and uh and and chamisa got
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into power that is what we have got to ask there they’ve been the opposition of the mdc has been in
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the opposition for the last 22 years if they’ve been trying seriously to
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implement reforms so that we end this culture of political violence and the
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shenanigans that i think was going to ask
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we’ve got a key veteran um chamisa member here who’s been there since 1999
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who also participated in the 2008 elections um exposing the election rigging in 2008
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he is very vocal and the successful a successful activist um of of chamisa’s party shepard yuda
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who’s just joined us mr Yuda here is a question from wilbert directed at you
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he’s saying hey uh james is he tried to
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implement my reforms sorry mr simba uh mr kansas
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i i don’t understand which reforms uh is he referring to here
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sorry can you hear me
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very perfectly rupert is saying my electoral reform so we’ve just been having an argument with wilbert here it
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looks like uh these guys
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just try to increase volume
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i think you know he was he was tortured so he’s got he’s got some hearing issues
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he wants one portrait so he’s got some hearing issues so i’m going to try and scream can you now hear me mr yuda
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can you now hear me see you can you now hear me
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is it better is it better now
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um is it better now i think he’s come out yeah yes
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someone is saying here um chamisa must not preempt his it’s his strategy now he’s really trying nelson chamisa how
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was he given an opportunity his hands are tight which shenanigans are you talking about it’s easy to criticize from afar reforms
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are successful success so we implemented
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this there’s an answer for you to you a bit well i i think i think in this
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particular case what i can say is people like to die they clearly haven’t understood what the
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2008-2013 jnu was about you know and i think that is an argument
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that some people have heard repeating over and over again if you haven’t understood
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what the 2008-2013 jnu was all about then you’ve got a serious problem because you
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definitely have not been following the the political machinations in zimbabwe
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we can’t keep on talking about something that happened in 2008 and you still don’t understand that
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the 2008 to 2013 gnu was primarily
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for implementing the democratic reforms necessary to make sure elections are free fair and credible
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there’s a there’s a there’s an answer to you a bit by sydney gombe they tried they actually tried a lot mr
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wilbet why can’t you just appreciate the good things chamisa has done
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yeah when you say they tried how did they try the 2008-2018
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global political agreement it was a golden opportunity to implement those reforms how many reforms did
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mtc implement we cannot pretend that they implemented any meaningful reforms when they did not
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that’s why we are still in this mess you know i think it is an imperative uh
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uh thing that people should understand why are we in this mess if you
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understand why we are still in the mess then you can start thinking of how to get out
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because if you don’t understand why you are still in the mess you yeah yeah that’s going round and round in cycles
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no meaningful reforms were implemented during the gnu that is effect
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that even people like chamisa will never deny you can you you can have them on
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this platform simba you can have any of the other mdc leaders who were in the gnu they will never ever
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deny that they fail to implement reforms some of them have admitted they failed
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to implement reforms but they don’t want to talk about it because like all politicians they don’t want to admit
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their failures their shortcomings but that is not helping the nation move forward
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um i i had been cut there wilbert can you hear me now yeah i can hear you yeah well but um do we agree that chamisa
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here is he’s in a worse situation than zelinski
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Chamisa is in a worse situation than no i i think you’re not being realistic
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i’m not being realistic no no i think i think you if you look in the situation in Ukraine
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that is a situation that that is hell
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when you’ve got such a powerful nation attacking you
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is not being attacked by the new people yes
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yeah but you can’t compare it to what putin is doing in Ukraine
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where i’m coming from is this you see where you have a situation where zielinski gets support he gets support
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from it then and this is like proper proper you know support at a at a forced level okay
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he gets support from outside okay chamisa doesn’t have all that chamisa has someone who is inside okay
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and putin is in foreign coming from outside Chamisa has inside the country that he lives in
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a real real military threats not just that he has a real military violence
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against him left right and center and he has people who are being shot
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who are being killed women who are being raped wilbur many times no one knows about what’s
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happened things are just done there’s no support either from inside or outside this is
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where i’m coming from wilbur it also will be look at it here the person who is going after chamisa
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yes it’s not putin but rubert wubert
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right now if you look at it in terms of statistics the person who is after jamison
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has killed more people than those who have been killed
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in Ukraine more than 30 000 have been killed so far and not just that with it this person
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has announced that he is going to kill more people that he is in the business
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business majority not just to decimate them at a
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political level remove them from parliament from from all other other other sectors of government okay
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but he his own his own daily preoccupation is that of killing
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anything and everything that is called opposition and he even announces with his own mouth a little bit not
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politically but in a literal direct legal sense once you are part of the opposition
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number one once you are part of the majority you are now a corpse come on wilbur if we
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compare chamisa with zelinski is chamisa not in a worse situation than zelensky
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because he doesn’t have support in many of the attacks that come against him
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people don’t even know about it it’s just swept under the carpet that’s my question to you
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now i think i think in this particular case we we we we should uh uh accept what is zimbabwe
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not only to mesa the people of zimbabwe themselves they’re in a serious situation
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you know when you’ve got 50 percent of the people living in object poverty
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i’ve got i’ve got relatives i speak to right now the other day i was speaking to one of
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my my cousins and they were telling me that one of our cousins is seriously sick in zimbabwe
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and you can’t even get panadol in this day and age that is a tragic situation to the family
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concerned but if we are going to start comparing zimbabwe with
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uh the situation ukrainian is we we we we cannot pretend what is above the
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situation is is worse than that of Ukraine yes for the individuals who like
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that cousin of mine who is seriously sick and we can’t even get panadol for her and from much my cousin was telling
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me it is terminal it is a tragedy to the family
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you know life lost any human being we suffering
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to the point of you know the suffering that we see in zimbabwe it is a tragic situation
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but we should not try to to to to to say one situation is worse than the other
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just because we are the ones who are experiencing it i hate to see zimbabwe
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being attacked by a country like like russia like what
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is happening in Ukraine you know the situation that is happening in zimbabwe is one that we can
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address if we get around doing it ourselves and most of it is is it
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internally it’s a it’s an internal problem
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what you’re talking about he is a zimbabwean and we are the ones who gave him
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that extra uh dictatorial powers
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we have failed to address the problem of the bad governance in zimbabwe and we
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need to address that problem you know and that is serious whereas if
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you look at Ukraine what what did the people of Ukraine do to putin
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to deserve to be attacked nothing other than that they wanted to be
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you guys just come in here um sorry you know we just moved in we’re just comparing chamisa and zelensky and i dropped here
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my proposition that chamisa is in a worse situation than zelinski i’m hoping we can get someone from zanu-pf to speak
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with us what are your views on this yeah definitely is in a waste situation
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than that Ukraine gentleman the Ukraine gentleman has got all the asano he has
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he’s been fought and he’s fighting you understand if you look at james has been fought and
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fought and default he never fought back so that put the situation uh uh in
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chamissa in in a wasted position than someone who can be able to defend himself militarily
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when attacked so president has been attacked by the middle the military
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he’s been attacked by the police he’s been attacked by the youth militias has been attacked by the
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state operators when i say state operators i mean the ciaos included the
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army included the police included the youth militia included the air force
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included the prisons included all these are all state security operators which
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have been attacking an innocent man who doesn’t even have a catapult so he is in a waste situation than the
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ukrainian guy the ukrainian guy is fighting big you understand
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i think that’s what i can only say this juncture well my my question to you would be did uh
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mdc have the opportunity to implement the democratic reforms which would have
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stopped the police uh of you being presented by the pf
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yeah i think i think if we dwell in mdc politics we
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are not going anywhere we left mdc politics we left the dramas behind
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so let’s talk from now onwards going forward that if president chairman is given
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opportunity to to to to do some reforms what is he going
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to do because the mdc politics you know that that is a political dead political part
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which was badly infiltrated to the extent that people in the central intelligence uh concurred that it was a
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poorest political party so let’s start from where we started and then move forward
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well maybe poorest it was maybe it was infiltrated that that that that point
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probably is is a valid point but the fact still remains that you and me we
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cannot completely deny our background our history where we came from
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just as much as ibm nagawa tried to say with his uh um
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after the coup that he had a second republic and tried to divorce himself what had happened during the the mugabe
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time he cannot run away from that he was mugabe’s henchman for 34 years 77 years
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you know we cannot pretend that he had nothing to do with with what was happening during his time he was the one
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who who who spearheaded the coup in 2008
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he was the one who was behind the the kokura wounded us he was the one who was
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behind all the corruption and mismanagement that was happening in zimbabwe the last seven years
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and for him to just turn around and say ah this is the second republic let the big ones be back once and we are
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supposed to pretend would he he is somebody who is
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totally innocent give him another chance a clean slate that is absolutely
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maintenance yeah you cannot deny nangagwa was a dictator before during the
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the mugabe era and he has carried that through in fact he sees the the second
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republic there was no transformation that took place the same applies to twitter missa
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just because they changed this the color of the court he’s wearing from red to yellow we are supposed to pretend
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because yes it’s been totally transformed no that is totally that argument doesn’t wash with me
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yeah i think the problem is the mistake you are making here is the make is the mistake of comparing
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two different scenarios here managua has been in the ruling part for
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over 43 years and they had the powers to initiate all the reforms that they
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wanted but they were in control of everything beginning from the government
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so if you are talking to an opposition political member who was never part of a ruling party
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who had never held substantial powers to to initiate those reforms
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then this becomes two different scenarios two different scenes at all so
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they are incomparable you can’t compare the two this is why i’m saying president chamisa
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has been at the helm of the mdc for almost two or three years only
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and nanga has been there for 43 years so we have we we can’t compare the two they
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are incomparable let’s find a different scenario to compare to not like why charmisson can
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make reforms what he has got no powers to make those reforms because he hasn’t
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been in a governing position so we are trying to match two scenarios
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which are totally different you know the truth the stories are not totally different
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the government of national unity was a government you know
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it was a government mdc had the majority in in parliament
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they’re the majority in cabinet what reforms they implement we cannot
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keep on hiding behind the finger you were in government during the gnu it
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was a government of national unity whose primary papers was to implement the
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democratic reforms sandra was the guarantor of that
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government of national unity and they tried to get the up the the the mtc uh
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guys to implement the reforms we have got to give credit where credit is due such a deep try
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and if you speak to any of your uh mdc leaders ask them
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did you have the opportunity to implement reforms during the gnu if they are being honest with you they
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will tell you yes we did but we we took our eyes off the ball that is the reality we’ve got to address
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we cannot keep on pretending but it didn’t happen i think i think you’re still continuing
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making errors making mistakes of comparing two incomparable scenarios
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if we are talking of political reforms and you are talking of mdc having
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majority in parliament i don’t think you are you you you exactly know what the
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majority in parliament is for you to pass a view in parliament you have to have two third majority if you
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look at 20 2009 2013 government of national unit
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mdc had no two third majority so that is incomparable
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they cannot influence any police especially in regard to implementation
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of political changes with a less than two-third majority and as we know
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zanu-pf always whip its members of parliament they don’t they don’t think
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they are willing to think what the leader does no the government of national unity had
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nothing to do with you need two things to pass anything any reforms could be proposed by any
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member of parliament any member of parliament could have prevented proposed reforms yes how many
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reforms did they propose sorry sorry sorry
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i need to answer him i need to let’s please think about it please right do you understand that in parliament when
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something is proposed it goes to voting this is where the two third majority
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comes from not during the gnu that was a government of national unity
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it did not have a ruling party and an opposition party that was not nothing to do with today’s
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majority you are still still making same errors to say there was no ruling part you’re
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still making same errors you understand do you know how many how how the
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ministries were shared if you are saying there was no ruling party do you know how the ministries were shared how was
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the ruling answer this question how many ministries did mdc have and how many ministries did
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xanopf have i think i think mtc the two mtc
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functions that more ministers than how many how many ministries do they control
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remember but what does this matter in terms of reforms
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who proposes so if you can’t remember that you cannot also remember with that there was a
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ruling party it was if you remembered how many ministries they controlled then
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you can easily remember that there was npf was a ruling party during that time considering how many how how the
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ministries were shared so how many point your point my friend it was a government
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of national unity there was no ruling party no opposition government of
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who doesn’t understand what the government of national unit was he wanted to give to to preach to me
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that it was a the a normal government where you’ve got a ruling party
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to pass anything during the gnu the gnu was made to
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accomplish certain tasks it wasn’t the normal government so please don’t don’t try to to to
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lecture me about something that clearly was there that was the one point of the
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global political agreement yes
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we are not different we are not differing in that it was a national gov national government of uh whatever you
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call it but you we are disagreeing when you say that there was no ruling part
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that’s where we disagree zanu pf is the two third place majority
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in parliament he didn’t zanno pf did not have two things
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majority my friend yes i i’m all right can i ask you questions i i asked you one simple
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question how many ministries were controlled by mdc you said you don’t know
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how many mysteries why
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the question that i’m asking you here is a clear question that indicates which was a ruling part which controlled the
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majority of the ruling party that is what you are missing completely
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there was no ruling party there was no opposition that is why they called this okay
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there was no opportunity if there was no opposition how many ministries did mdc controlled
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and how many ministries did zanu-pf control well where they shared 50-50
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yeah about 50-50 i think yeah so so you see now you you lack knowledge
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on that so you can’t debate on that definitely you tell us how many ministers did zanu-pfeiffer
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how many ministries were there no i just asked you how many ministers
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did they have just tell us the answer then
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yes that’s the reason why i am telling you we cannot debate on that because it’s
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incomparable we need to first start where chiamisa is now moving forward
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because that was changed right era which has got nothing to do with chamissa and
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let’s talk about chamissa’s reforms from now going forward was if we want go to
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go back to yusuke you you don’t know what with the setup during government of national you need
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and you can let me tell you let me just bring you up
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to scratch my friend the government of national unity
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it doesn’t matter which party you belong to you were in cabinet
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if it was the ruling parties i know pf it will have its own all the ministers will come from zanu-pf period
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why would they want to bring in somebody else i asked you that
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that doesn’t really matter it’s totally different you’re very stupid you want me
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you need it members of parliament to propose reforms so don’t don’t come back
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and talk about where the majority in cabinets
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if i would if i could if i could if i could interrupt fox and maybe and i’m hoping that we could we could
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settle this particular argument and we move to now because the people of zimbabwe would
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also like to hear how what what it is that they can bring food on their table
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government of national unity if we are ever going to talk about
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mdc’s participation or james’s participation in the gnu wilbert
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and and and you die here could we expand my my requests could we expand so that
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we are really fair to go back to 1987. so if we’re going to point fingers
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at chamisa or whoever here let us let us look at zimbabwe
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holistically let’s go back to 1987 because there was another gnu which was done in 1987
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okay with joshua cuomo and then we see performance here we judge
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nelson chamisa by performance but i want to just maybe throw a question here to
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both of you gents judging chamisa being chamisa okay and
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his grouping let’s not give it a name i know we would want to call it mdc want to call it ccc let’s just call it the
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chamisa group okay chamisa and his group
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in this period from 1987
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up to 2022 when we’re talking about putting pressure on the system for reforms
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how would you rate and and i’m hoping that we can have one word answers from both of you so that we can maybe move on
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to our present day um stories that we have here how would you rate nelson
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chamisa um no let’s let’s first rate uh the the the leaders and como under
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the the first gnu okay how would you rate them when you were to judge the first
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opposition of this country since 1980 how much work
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what was their performance how would they rate their performance coming to the topic of putting pressure
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on zanu-pf4 reforms the first opposition of this country where would you put them one being poor
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10 to being good i’m talking about just pressure here not so much um achievement
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as in real change eventually took place we were talking here pressure
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to put um for the system to be cornered for reforms where would you put
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the first opposition under joshua one is to we’ll start with um
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let me start with judah one is to ten the first opposition yeah i’ll put it in
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two you put it at two okay and then nelson chamisa where would you put it
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no in terms of what in terms of the pressure yeah just measuring pressure for reform
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i’ll put him on one you put chemist on one
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okay well uh they
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when when joshua just your rating that’s your rating let me just clarify that point
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when the unit accords
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joshua was no longer talking about reforming xanopf he was now part of san
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appears he wasn’t reforming zanu-pf
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so how can you say equity what how much pressure was he putting to reforms that he wasn’t reforming that opinion he was
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an opf okay but how would you i would how would you rate him from 1980
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because there was a time when he was exclusively an opposition yeah but as opposition
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as contrast to how would you yeah how would you rate him orbit
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before during and after or before purely as an opposition he was effective
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as an opposition he was effective okay yes so so you’d put him at 10.
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well yeah yeah i could put it if you want 10 out of 10 yeah okay thank you then show me somewhere would you put him
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signs grouping where would you put him as reforming in terms of reform
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it’s not even one
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okay thank you so now let’s let’s let’s jump to the to the by-elections all right it’s interesting to get all these
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different responses from both of you let’s jump to the by-elections here the by-elections i think you would agree
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both of you that they are a reflection of pressure to the system to reform where would you rate the performance of
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nelson chamisa in this last this by-election this by-election period here
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you’d one is to ten ten ten okay whoop it
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up are you still there
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just this by-election period here on its own yeah but what reforms did they implement
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that is what we’re talking about pressure pressure i mean could we could we really judge
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chamissa for actual actual um performance in terms of reform um because he doesn’t have the power to
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reform but i’m talking about just someone who is working with putting pressure on the system to reform
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in this last by-election period here we’ll bet where would we put chamisa
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i don’t know at best one you put him at one yeah a best
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right okay it’s interesting you know this is an
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ongoing discussion let’s keep it running of yours witnesses quickly uh robert i
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don’t know folks did you see the letter um by monzora sorry the letter that is saying monza has been fired
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i’m sorry suspended myself yeah
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okay you haven’t seen it okay you said you you you saw that the letter yeah i saw it that’s the first thing
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that caught my eye right you know the first question that i have from people is this authentic you know
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assassins
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with that later because that later is stipulating uh
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it doesn’t have like sections to say you can prevent we signed we signed um
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an agreement uh for you then we contravened this section of the agreement it’s not citing anything you
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mean yeah yeah it doesn’t show anything the titan would say he had been suspended because
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he violated the detection of the agreement right
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i don’t i think it’s just it’s just a fake letter to put him under pressure because he is he
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the problem with the moon is that he does not know
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his duties whether he’s a person whether he’s a spokesperson of the party whether it’s
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the treasure he doesn’t know where he where his powers start and end
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you understand so other other other members of the alliance who are
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there they’ve all become subordinate to him and useless so it’s a one-man band
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operate and uh at that letter i don’t see it being a genuine letter anyway you know because
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what do you think about that later oh you haven’t seen he said you haven’t seen it by the way okay no i mean i’ve i’ve heard you just mentioned but you
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got honesty in this particular case if if if monzora was was being honest
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this is what a one would expect you know he went into this by-election
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confident that was going to make an impact and let’s face it mtc
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uh t as he calls the party and the ftc alliance as he calls the coalition
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his performance was absolutely dismal you know and then this particular case as a leader you’ve got
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to accept a responsibility for it and then stepping down is the most logical thing you should do
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and i had to be good on this in terms of zimbabweans i think once or is has proven himself to be uh
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totally incompetent and many zimbabweans have lost confidence in him and in this particular case resigning is
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really the most logical thing to do for him i don’t know whoever will take over from
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him where they could take the parties because i think now mdc
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t is you know has lost a completely lost direction
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um right and then um folks uh our last two items here before we
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shut because i promise we’re only 20 minutes we’ve stretched a bit here chris muchangua
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and and chiyangwa analysis on on by-elections
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did you folks listen to to the two uh christopher chandler and chiang wa what they’re saying
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is that the bar elections are a display of how zanu-pf
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has performed extremely well they’ve eaten into the opposition stronghold
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we are now in the in the even in the urban areas this is what christopher chang said and and
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shianga also echoed the same philip chiang and and and and then also
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they said that the opposition split so they are reaping from the split
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by the opposite i was hoping that we’re going to get we’re going to get ramuchang
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available but opinion publisher it was published on zima what what do you say to these folks
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my personal opinion is that the people of zimbabwe the elections were free fair incredible
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i honestly don’t think this an opf would win more than
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five percent of of the vote that’s right and popular the party is
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becoming symbolic only those who are benefiting from the system or the their
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relatives would fought for some peers many people would vote
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for the opposition regardless of what opposition it is because people are desperate for change
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and so this this uh statements by chiang wai and and uh and christian
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sangha they are really trying to give the impression that i know pf is
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still relevant in the country if the elections are free fair and credible zano pf would lose them they would have
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lost them a long time ago there is only reason why is no pfp still
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in power today is because zanu-pf has got cut blanche
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powers to wreak elections that point has got to be made that point must be emphasized
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and that’s right that is the point that we should be seriously looking into going into 2023.
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right we’ll see you down yes
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and right now we have
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we talk of someone who doesn’t want people to understand him every time when
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he speaks was what he knows he speaks a rubbish so he tries to hide behind these
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big words to try and say look he’s an educated man but the purpose of communication is to
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make people understand tessa tree with zimbabwe used to think you’d get a dictionary analysis and talk
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these vocabularies so i’ve seen muchangua being useless in
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zanu-pf this is why muchang was always sidelined by zanu pier he has never won
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an election because he does not communicate with the people in a manner
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that people understand what he wants to say at the end
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of seoul first of all when i talk about by elections in zimbabwe
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uh muchawa is one of the culprits when we talk of
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buy elections in zimbabwe together general elections
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positions of parliament
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and they claim that they’ve won that constituent that has happened for
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quite a lot from a different uh by-elections it’s attacking so zanu-pf
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made a miscalculation to say look we are going into this by election and they
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tried that idea of bringing people like what they used to do all along buying
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them food
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you know um so they have done it for quite some time
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this is a shock to them about elections but this time we have lost all of them
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i can say i can simply say all of them because sanupi of guanajuato are 20
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20 by elections in a a political party you know one month old if you one month
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old under one a an old political party like zanukiv
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they haven’t started anything and the shock is there for them 2023 they will
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be dismantled
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foreign
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um yeah right um i want to quickly upload here uh folks as we end uh
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crucially here there’s an important i think mr uda if you would agree with me
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uh this is a crucial suggestion a program here that has been suggested
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um
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so we have uh some of our members pano
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pazim i um one here let me just put it up i apologize paneer
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in the pan up so that we see it uh let me just bring it up here okay here we go
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i think it is this one here and and i don’t know what um both of you think about this
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okay so hanzi panda papa honestly um there will be any i don’t think
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there’ll be any funds or support from central government to support projects in those constituencies where ccc lost
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therefore people need to come together regroup and financially support these councillors and mps to develop their
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communities 2023 my two cents i personally am prepared to
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be allocated a constituency that i can start supporting with developments
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wow mr yudha that’s one of our ladies varun
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uk up about united states logistics right now please we need to start like right now
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because centimeters ahead residents are now being refused access to that water commission five days ago by that idiot
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pardon my language i am angry about the tower in india one one constituency attained the eoe i
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want to i want to give a quick quest so we’ve got quirkway here mr Yuda this is practical action mazda bob when
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diaspora now are coming up and they’re saying let’s get together and let’s adopt constituents and start
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supporting doing fundraise to cheetah cheetah
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practically and and so one person has already taken a constituent and i’m thinking of giving
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her quick way i want to give her the quaker constituents yes settlement chiquinya because he came he asked for
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help and i think the next person who’s going to volunteer i’ll give him i’ll give that person saint mary’s
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and i think saint mary’s is for jobseeker am i right mr ed yeah
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you’re right what do you what do you think about this initiative folks um wilbur this is practical zimbabweans are
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now coming come together saying look i’m going to take a constituency um yeah
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constituency and i’m going to be funding it like indeed in their gandhi one this is one person here who said she’s
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gonna take a constituency so we’re starting here what do you think about this little bit
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well i mean if if if we are all in a position to do that why not go ahead and do it but what we
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are also should be looking at here simba is that are we not undermining the whole
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principle of free fair incredible elections are we not also encouraging
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how would this how would this be undermining orbit
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can punish you because the the xanopf lost in a particular
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constituency that is part and parcel of the watering
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because they’ve got to think about it also in terms of even those areas where there are no pfs won if they are going
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to start pouring uh all the financial assistance in those areas
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then it emphasizes the point with the elections in zimbabwe if this npf loses
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the people in that particular constituency will be punished
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that is undermining the whole principle of free fair and credible elections
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people should be able to devote with the confidence that they will
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their will is their democratic right
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is this undermining in your view do you think it undermines the choice
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supporting people yeah in this fashion i don’t know but did you see the video
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of a girl a young girl who is speaking ku saint mary’s and she’s saying that
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um now that now that you know the the elections are over they
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are no longer allowed to drink water unless they’ve got a zanu-pf card from a boho
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so if if if i can adopt a constituent of my own okay i’m gonna take i’m gonna take
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one from uzumba okay inini right and and by the way it doesn’t have to be all my
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personal money i can run around europe you see my institutions my organization but i need the cheat so
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that nearly one i’m supporting this constituency is this undermining
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democracy judah and you know
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no i don’t think it’s undermining democracy it’s another form of
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promoting democracy because the development that you are going to initiate is not going to
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benefit the opposition alone it will benefit even the ruling part supporters
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so there is no way we can say it undermines democracy
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we as zimbabweans and if chance arises to assist our country we need to do that
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and it doesn’t undermine any democracy at all i think i’m being clear here if there
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are people willing to assist these migrants not in the name of zanu pf but in the
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name of of assisting the country so that the country people can see
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that we have got people who can assist us that does not undermine democracy
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but but then there’s a there’s a contribution from lord zamakoni so we’re saying adopting a constituency doing
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that will promote looting and suppress accountability um of the government from
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their national responsibility and duties to the general public
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if the case here you were talking about where uh because saint mary’s was uh won
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by the opposition and then zano pf is saying you are not going to drink from from a poor hole
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because you voted for for the opposition that is totally illegal that should be
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condemned you know and that should be denounced straight away we shouldn’t be saying we
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we will drink another ball somewhere where those
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people can can fresh water from that is what is happening in fact that is at
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the very heart of the of our failed political system because in the rural
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areas that is exactly what zanopf has been doing all these years you get food you get agricultural input
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by producing as an op card we’ve all known this happening all along
58:01
yesterday that was also what was being reenacted again and again
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during the the the by-election that is what is wrong with our political system
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we are we should address that problem that is what should be addressed people should be able to go into an election
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vote with the confidence that their will that democratic will is their right
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they will never be in any way punished for exercising it
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when you are once you are elected you represent everybody it does not you don’t want to represent those people who
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voted for you you represent everybody if you are the government of the day you represent everybody in the country
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including those who didn’t vote for you that is the essence of democratic
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elections and that is what we should be enforcing in this particular case
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folks we’re going to need to be to be ending shortly here we’ve got a crowd of over 800 people watching right now it’s
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late in the night mr youth it’s nearly 11 o’clock i think you can see people are really burning um about their
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country and and and i’m asking here are you there are you listening would you like to adopt a constituent
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as an individual god one we’ve got a lady here who has taken a constituency
59:33
and what does this mean this means i’m going to be practically it doesn’t have to be my money okay yes in indonesia
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just a hundred pounds but i will run around my organizations mumma institutions are
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here and look for people who can help and i’m helping people not because they are they
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are ccc or they are zanu-pf or there’s an donga okay or
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or whichever party i’m helping our people because they’re zimbabweans and they’ve been subjected to slavery of a
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brutal regime where they are not even allowed to drink water unless they produce a stupid
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xenopia card
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would you like to give us your closing remarks um briefly 30 seconds we’ll bet you give
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us 30 seconds as well what do you think here about this particular
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initiative that has been started panapa on and also and we’re talking this
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initiative of adopting constituents uh where we have seen here one lady taking one constituent okay we’ve given
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a quick where we’ve given a settlement to queen as constituents okay and we’ve got another person here
1:00:55
who’s taking another constituents what do you think about this in the future of zimbabwe and the matrix of our politics
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lastly here where do you see nelson chamisa standing you’re closing remarks
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folks 30 seconds 30 seconds with john and justin will be back here tomorrow
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um i think it’s a good idea so that people can adopt constituents and
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assists where possible but they have to try to be very careful not to play in some pf
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hands because we are not the only people assisting the nani government organizations are assisting but look
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naga was throwing them out he’s saying because they are assisting which as
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their assistants would prop up the opposition and for president nelson chamisa
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there are no two ways about it 2023 you are in the in the status you are in
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the office you are the president of zimbabwe by 2023. so we look forward for
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you not to burn these unup moralities not to burn any jews not to burn people
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want people to eat because of political uh reasons so those are my closing remarks i’m
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expecting good president from president knows which he has shown for the past two years
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those are my closing remarks thank you very much sir we’ve got another person here gloria casey has
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adopted saint mary’s amazing so i’ve got three constituents that have been abducted tonight she’s going to put up
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all cause and mellies because saint mary’s right and i will allow all ccc uh people to
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fetch water every person must speciate gloria case
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um we must show love to all zimbabweans what do you think will be your 30 seconds please so three three
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constituents have been taken tonight already i think i think adapting these positions
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and doing any help you can to to the to the country is useful but what i would
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like to remind everybody is that one of the problems we have here is that people in zimbabwe are now so
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helpless that they depend on on handouts on aids that is the tragedy of zimbabwe
1:03:14
zimbabwe is an incredibly rich and resourceful country the people are hard working people they will
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earn their own life and dignity if we give them a chance
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to do something with their own lives
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that fail failure to do so is because of the zanu-pf regime the dictatorship of the
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last 42 years that is the dictatorship we should be trying to stop because as long as these
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bad governance we will be looking at more than 50 percent of the people depending on aids
1:03:55
from uh the generosity of fellow zimbabweans in
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the international community no one wants to to to to to live on age
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i people take great pride in giving somebody not always receiving
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you know and i think that is something that we should emphasize here and we can get out of that wall by becoming a
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democratic country that is the most important thing that people should focus on
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change the country free the country and the corruption people will be
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self-reliant people will be prosperous
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thank you sir i’ll stop there wow well here we are bears witnesses here um yeah
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we’ve got a very a confident crowd of a total 700 people still watching but this is the end of our discussion of those
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witnesses if you’re watching this video later on and you want to adopt a constituent just let us know which one
1:04:57
or if you want us to find you one who get you one particularly the royal areas one one that you yourself will be the
1:05:03
chief fundraiser you will put together money you will hear me you will fix whatever it is so that our people are
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respected or people are being treated like like sex toys like excuse me like any
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like like like pieces of of nothing and and zanu-pf and
1:05:22
pop corrupt politicians are forcing them but it’s not everything we know of very very respectable
1:05:30
as i know politicians but we’ve got some corrupt people who are just controlling resources
1:05:36
so um this is a big initiative if you want to participate just let us know tomorrow we are back here mongoan 7pm
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these things these vital things about our country sir thank you very much
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thank you folks of the new year 2021
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igorema sports is the year of my sport stuff that’s just too good to be true
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happening before your eyes on their own join chief diwani today as he finishes
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my sport zimbabweans have this year witnessed the
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greatest fall of any head of state since cecil john rhodes and the shutting down of tyranny that
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has held the nation back for decades the victory now requires only a small
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push to finalize it so that we as a people can have a proper democracy
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in sports we saw msm nanaga’s being rejected by the world body fifa
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a terrible state of affairs in religion the cults that have for decades corrupted politicians and stretches
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across africa under the banner of the likes of walter magaya and tb joshua
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lost major high court cases following successful investigation journalism
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would lasted for five years plus this means that the courts will now hear the pile of cases of rape complainants
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who have been hushed up who stretched from lagos right down to harare
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in the region as a whole for the first time we witnessed eminence in nanagwa fall
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down like the great lucifer himself and his stranglehold over what used to be northern rhodesia is now zambia was
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removed no more no more will maneuver control the nation of zambia again even though
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the human rights director dera mavinga who announced the fall of nanagwa
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died a suspicious death that alone has not stopped zimbabwean’s
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quest to continue the push forward to get that democracy for the first time
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in history we witnessed a head of state who has not allowed free movement like
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other presidents at any time begging to enter a scottish risky party
1:09:13
but was banned by the developing citizens in the united kingdom getting to the point of literally
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telephoning tv whistleblower separate at the trades hall building asking to
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enter that whiskey drink but was refused resulting in the supporters vandalizing
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judea’s car in retaliation if in doubt there is a video uh with
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regard to this uh and what happened to judy’s car following this message
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as a result of the thuggery in the climate change the british police have
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opened a case now to investigate eminem and his supporters over crimes committed
1:09:56
currently and also crimes committed since 1983 to the current date for the
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first time in history police forces across europe have opened cases to investigate emerson managua
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and the early rain rituals during the period of 1983 to 2020 this is a big
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development for the zimbabwean legal history uh system that we have since the days of rotation the zimbabwean problem
1:10:24
is not a problem about politics or islamopf but it is about ritual practices by emerson nanagwa and his
1:10:32
majority the fall of managua in this way is the greatest achievement for zimbabweans
1:10:38
since independence in 1980 we have for the first time in 41 years
1:10:45
the united nations rejecting emerson managua from flying
1:10:50
for their general assembly this has never happened before since the
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days of rhodesia a head of state not allowed to attend that august building
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inside his own political party we have witnessed the primary elections
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with atrocious atrocious figures amid the worst voting rigging you can
1:11:12
imagine and for the first time in 41 years there are traditional leaders
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traditional leaders speaking out against nago’s government over 10 such traditional leaders
1:11:24
including his own uncle coming out to speak out against nanowrimo
1:11:30
these are changing times so how many more institutions have rejected nanagwa
1:11:36
in 2021. we have un fifa zimbabwean chiefs even his own family and this is
1:11:42
not to mention the financial services the likes of imf and world bank all
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now you’ve just said here uh volunteered that you’re going to easter ending and everything who have already
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volunteered to take up constituents this is massive this is big share it around
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let people know what
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they can come worthless since 1980 our kids in zimbabwe are
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turning into prostitution for instance into drugs and the like because they’ve been made to feel and to think that
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they’re worthless people are being forced to buy zanu-pf cards just to drink a cup of water from a poho that’s
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how humiliating our people have been made by
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no one else will fix our country apart from us so we are fully fully supporting
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this we’re working
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this is our this this program
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right come back tonight tomorrow
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7 p.m we’ll be live